https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/15gk07n/english_...
Edit: in my experience, changing the language to something else immediately after install is done still adds the crapware automatically. I think I needed to reboot once or twice for whatever post-install service Windows runs to no longer get executed.
Edit: This sounded neat so I tried it. I just loaded up a physical box from a 24H2 ISO on a thumb drive (booted from Ventoy with no special options loaded to bypass the Microsoft Account requirement).
I got an oddball "Something went wrong" / "You can try again, or skip for now" / "OOBEREGION" window with a silly and wholly inappropriate for a corporate-targeted OSA depiction of a dropped ice cream cone (pink flavor, by the look of it). I've definitely never seen this one before.
I clicked "Skip" and then it proceeded thru the OOBE as I'd expect, including demanding an Internet connection.
I added "BypassNRO" to the registry, rebooted, and completed the OOBE with a local account (seeing the same silly ice cream cone again).
Once I got into Windows I found the Start menu looked a little emptier than normal. Memory usage seems a little lower than I'd expect. The running process list is still ridiculously long.
I connected the Ethernet to a network with Internet access and didn't see a huge change.
The Store app doesn't work. It returns "Sorry about that!" / "Something went wrong...".
The Co-Pilot pinned shortcut returns a blue modal error dialog in the Windows 8 style saying "Search Support" / "Something happened on our end ... 0x87E10BC6".
Installing this way definitely did something. I'm just not sure exactly what. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the machine updates. I already see it loading drivers and doing device detects.
Granted, a lot of it isn't super discoverable, or exposed to the user in a pretty GUI (it mostly lives deep within the registry, a good chunk undocumented), but it truly is a general purpose OS in every sense of the word.
Unlike most here I actually like and enjoy using Windows (doubly so with WSLv2 and the new windows terminal), although I'll admit since WSL I pretty much use Windows as if it were another Linux distro. But over the years I've come to learn a lot of the ins and outs of what it can do.
That said, if Microsoft continues down this MS account, consumer hostile behavior even more it's going to be time for me to say my goodbyes to windows.
https://github.com/microsoft/windows-dev-box-setup-scripts/b...
Windows, just like any other operating system, has its set of contrivances for different functions (in this case automated installation). Having used RedHat Kickstart I don't see it as hugely different.
Workarounds for commercial OSes are necessary to avoid user-hostile behaviors that are completely intentional and likely to get worse over time.
See the page's description for “Allow Windows 11 to be installed without internet connection”:
> This effectively runs the oobe\BypassNRO.cmd command, which was discovered by Reddit user AveYo. You still have to click the I don't have internet button during Windows Setup.
> Only check this option if your computer really does not have internet access. If you just want to create local (“offline”) user accounts in Windows 11, you can always do so in the _User accounts_ section of this form.
I like Windows quite a bit. I get unreasonably angry when the ability to see the source code would be useful, or when I can't minimize irritations by recompiling. I feel that way about all closed-source software, though. By and large I'm happy to use it for some things. I've used it a long time. I don't dislike it.
What's happening w/ Windows, though, fills me with frustration and sadness. The Microsoft Account requirement is absolutely asinine. The Windows 10 and later UI changes are ridiculous. The continued push to take away user rights on computers they own, by sinking DRM tendrils deeper into the OS, is frustrating.
It feels like developers w/ little to no real world experience using Windows and who have no ability to stand up to the whims of UI "designers" (who also don't seem to acutally use Windows), sales and marketing, and the copyright cartels have been put in charge of Windows.
For those that truly care to use a local account, there’s a SKU for that.
Curious if you mean LTSC or Enterprise or something else? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/microsoft.power...
The problem with a lot of the other SKUs is the lack of a good way to buy a single license legitimately from Microsoft: https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows10LTSC/wiki/acquisition
I have used grey-market sellers in the past and had a great experience buying working individual licenses of Visual Studio, Office, Windows Server (I set up a domain so I could get my Group Policy on and kill the crap that way), and Windows 10 Enterprise (minimum SKU where the Telemetry-disabling GPO does anything). I only ever had one code that didn't work, and the seller immediately replaced it with one that did. Yes I know they're probably all bought with stolen credit cards, but once you activate it they don't take it back so I don't care lol
I haven't attempted to use Windows 11 at all though so I dunno if Windows 11 Enterprise would let me join my domain without Microsoft Account like 10 Enterprise does. I have zero desire to find out even once the 10 “““EOL””” date comes :(
because the higher ups at microsoft deems these SKUs not suitable for the average pleb on a home computer. They're intended for a fleet of commercial computers (like schools, libraries, offices etc), and priced to match the expected sale.
For home use, microsoft wants the user to be an obedient sheep, and gobble up whatever that is fed through the pipe. Soon enough, this will make the computer more of an appliance, than a computer - like a washing machine or TV, instead of a general machine capable of doing whatever the user commands.
I can see the argument for bitlocker for laptops, due to easier theft, but for desktops the tradeoff against being able to swap disks is one to consider.
(I'm in an odd position: I tried to avoid using my Microsoft account for a new PC, gave up and logged in, then it decided the account was somehow unsuitable and gave me the local account I wanted anyway.)
After their most recent shenanigans, the writing is on the wall, the nails are in the coffin - https://www.pcgamer.com/software/operating-systems/microsoft...
They've disabled the ability to finish Windows installation without having an internet connection and connecting your Microsoft account.
> According to a Windows Insider blog post announcing Preview build 26200.5516 (KB5054687) the bypassnro.cmd script has been removed in order to "enhance security and user experience of Windows 11."
> "This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account."
lol.
Never been a better time to jump ship to Linux, honestly. I held out for ages because I was a princess and wanted everything to be perfect. I used Linux 24x7 as an admin and developer, but from afar and never locally as my daily driver. Finally bit the bullet July '23 and it has been nothing but smooth sailing.
I booted to the OOBE, hit <SHIFT>-<F10>, ran:
REG ADD HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1
shutdown -r -t 1 -f
I don’t understand how you’d domain join otherwise.
Pro definitely doesn't because the above procedure is what I always have to do to get joined to a domain without creating or using a Microsoft Account. (And then I've got a local account to clean up.)
They're saying with a straight face that connecting to the Internet is required in order to enhance security?
There's just no reason given the architecture of it that the hamburger menus shouldnt be toggleable to just be menu bars. And menubars were a perfectly good solution for mouse interaction.
Most third party tools are outdated or do stupid stuff which isn’t needed. You can silence Windows with the right GroupPolicies quite easy.
Installing a custom Firewall and Antivirus ist straight counteproductive, as ist disabling security features... obvisouly.
Downloading and installing group policies however is often required and a typical enterprise scenario.
Whenever I hear people praise these kind of things I know they don't really have any professional knowledge. It's fine to configure your own system, but suggesting these things SHOULD be done pisses me off to no end.
Can't believe NSO group is here doing some weird psyop. Very funny.
I'd definitely love a .reg file generator website like this one, to apply some of these settings after the fact!
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Accessibility\StickyKeys\Flags="506"
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Accessibility\MouseKeys\Flags="58"
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Accessibility\ToggleKeys\Flags="58"
[1] https://manpages.debian.org/testing/debconf/debconf-set-sele...
Now could someone please fix the BCD store mess?
The current form of it was introduced in Vista.
The same concept existed before, but I know less about how it worked back then.
Even without unattend, something I think people don't realize is that you can install windows on the command line. Diskpart to partition, dism /apply-image to extract files, then bcdboot to install the bootloader.
Now I run Linux with / on a hard drive and /usr on SSD.